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Post by Vahmp » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:59 pm

WarpNein wrote:That's....different. I thought 31 preferred tactics somewhat more covert than giant flying guns. Either way, the model looks cool. I'm looking forward to seeing it develop. Are you going to light it up? It would be neat to photograph it in a dense fog to simulate the antiproton beam firing.
Yea, it is different. That's what intrigued me about the story. And yes, Sec-31 is mostly covert.
But this thing, "giant flying guns"... :lol: :lol: was designed to combat the Borg.

Yes, as the mock up shows, I'm planning on lighting up the "GUN", with red LED instead of that blue LED test. lol
The "fog" idea is pretty kool! Thanks! I think I'll use it. :D
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Post by Tesral » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:35 am

I think such a massive vessel would fall to the "Atomic Annie" problem.

The US in the 50s deployed a tactical nuclear artillery piece call Atomic Annie. Yea, think about that for a minute. It was discovered that within 15 minutes of the thing starting to set up, that is well before it was ready to fine it would be "hit" by aircraft. It was unless unless you had total air superiority, in which case you did not need it.

Such a large obvious weapon has target painted all over it. It would require a fleet just to escort it. The Romulans and Klingons would see it as a total war threat, no matter how much you plastered "Anti Borg" on the thing. It is built to bomb planets.

I do not believe it would ever get to perform the stated mission and would be a diplomatic disaster.
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Post by Vahmp » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:51 am

Tesral wrote:I think such a massive vessel would fall to the "Atomic Annie" problem.

The US in the 50s deployed a tactical nuclear artillery piece call Atomic Annie. Yea, think about that for a minute. It was discovered that within 15 minutes of the thing starting to set up, that is well before it was ready to fine it would be "hit" by aircraft. It was unless unless you had total air superiority, in which case you did not need it.

Such a large obvious weapon has target painted all over it. It would require a fleet just to escort it. The Romulans and Klingons would see it as a total war threat, no matter how much you plastered "Anti Borg" on the thing. It is built to bomb planets.

I do not believe it would ever get to perform the stated mission and would be a diplomatic disaster.
I'm not sure if you're speculating on physics facts, or on the story, and...
I'm not going to post spoilers here. :)
Did you read the story, yet?
If not....
Read it, you may find it interesting. ;)

http://www.inpayne.com/trekfanfic/wolf0.html
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Post by dJiPi » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:06 pm

Thanks for the link Vahmp (at least some Sci-Fi to read for a Froggy :D )
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Post by Vahmp » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:01 pm

dJiPi wrote:Thanks for the link Vahmp (at least some Sci-Fi to read for a Froggy :D )
Yer Velcum! hehehehe :D ;)
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Post by Vahmp » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:12 pm

Oh!
BTW Tesral....

I, personally, like the stories (canon and non-canon) of Sec-31.
Actually, I like villains. So much so that all my Cosplays (yes, I do Costuming. hahaha) are all of villains.

In Star Wars, I Cos as a Sith.
And in Star Trek, I've done a Sec-31 officer, and.... Little by little, I'm building the original "Wrath of Khan" Khan costume. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Tesral » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:33 am

Not to harsh on your build dude. But the concept has some Wolf sized holes.

I read the story. It has appropriate stupidity all over it.

Why are you building a...thing...that is an extinction danger to any planet it gets near?
Why are you using contractors that are not even Federation Members on a Top Secret project? Are background checks no longer a thing in the 24th century?
Considering the ranges in space battle why are you building a weapon that you must aim the ship to aim the gun? Didn't that go out of fashion with the USS Vesuvius? All a Borg cube need do is a drunk walk approach and the Wolf could never target it.

Anyone with half a brain can see "Bad Idea" written all over this thing.

And once again we see a Starfleet that is tiny compared to the Federation itself. I think I made a pretty good argument for a 40,000 ship Starfleet. The fact is many writers think too small.

The knowledge exchange went both ways. Picard demonstrated in First Contact he knows how to destroy a Borg cube. No Wolf needed.
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Post by WarpNein » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:44 am

Vahmp wrote:I, personally, like the stories (canon and non-canon) of Sec-31.
Actually, I like villains. So much so that all my Cosplays (yes, I do Costuming. hahaha) are all of villains.
Villains are the most interesting characters. Aside from being the primary drivers of the plot, well crafted villains often hold up mirrors to protagonists and expose weaknesses in the prevailing moral assumptions on which said protagonists operate, which is why I love Section 31. All the high-minded idealism of Doctor Bashir is only possible because of Sloan's and 31's unflinching ruthlessness. He needs Sloan on that wall.

And oh by the way Vahmp, you could damn near double for Christopher Lee.

I do agree with Tesral's evaluation of the ship's tactical and diplomatic shortcomings, but whoever said we had to model only tactically sound designs. I've got the Executor lying around here somewhere. :lol:

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Post by Tesral » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:04 pm

I agree that good villains are necessary for a good plot. However I disagree that Section 31 are good villains. The very idea that an open society like the Federation would have a secret bad guy branch built into the Federation Charter, without oversight, goes against the very principles of the Federation as stated.

Good villains are good to have. Section 31 need not apply.

To Quote: "Section 31 is an abomination. It is against the very ideas that the Federation itself have been said to be founded on. It is an admission that the good guy code doesn't work, and that hard men willing to do evil things are required for good to win. I must fall back on the Bible here; "What profit it a man to gain the whole world, and lose his own soul." Picard is the patron saint of those principles of Star Trek. It is Picard that stands up again and again to state "What kind of people are we?" Again and again he confirms that we are a people that hold truth as the highest virtue. We are a people that hold you cannot defend a principle if you break it. James Kirk also has his moment at the pulpit. "Yes, we are killers, but we will not kill today! " -- Garry's Rules for Trek Plots
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Post by slawton » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:23 pm

Tesral wrote:Considering the ranges in space battle why are you building a weapon that you must aim the ship to aim the gun? Didn't that go out of fashion with the USS Vesuvius?
Have you seen Starblazers/Space Battleship Yamato? The mighty Wave Motion Gun is able to obliterate entire space fleets and/or gigantic space objects. May not be tactically practical, but is awesomely cool! How about the Death Star - how much can the mega-laser be aimed (it sure takes a lot of work to align that beast!)?
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