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Post by Tesral » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:13 am

In the 1940s E.E. "Doc Smith wrote the Lensman books. Starting with Triplanetary and ending with Children of the Lens. I read these books in the mid 70s in high school. Burned through them. In a burst of nostalgia I got the GURPS Lensman source book. It was published 2001.

The Lensman books were trailblazers on several fronts.

It was the first book series in a time when a story got published in a pulp magazine and was never seen again.

It was a full arc meant to be that from the start. Unheard of in the 40s.

Smith invented the genre of Space Opera.

He also invented the Combat Information Center. Chester Nimitz wrote John Campbell starting that the CIC was a deliberate attempt to recreate the bridges of the Lensman spacecraft for the same reason. A way to make sense of a wealth of information.

Without Lensman, we might not have had Star Trek 20 years later.


I perused the book I bought. Read it would be too strong a word, I skimmed lightly over items of pure crunch. The Fluff is what I was after.

I do not think I would enjoy these books today.

Morals are black or white. Good guys are GOOD! Bad guys are BAD! No real reason behind it. The good guys engage in genocide against the bad guys, wiping out whole species deemed as being of the Boskone without regret. They engage in summery execution because the Lens tells them the bad guy is bad. No moral judgment is required.

Military tactics accept the destruction of entire planets, if that promotes the military goal, saving "Civilization".

And behind it are the god like destroyers and the god like mentors, neither one has any respect for the common life of individuals.

The entire six book series avoids the simple question, why?
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Re: Lensman

Post by kobayashimaru » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:09 am

Yeah, lensman arc is some great Sci-Fi.

they seem to use a theory of pre-suppositionalism/predeterminism or superdeterminism,
and of course, the recurrent 'eugenics' - which was all the rage back then :lol:
a similar eugenics theme is in DUNE, the "kwisatz haderach" etc...

compatibilism, choicespace, constructivism... these kinds of things would be completely alien to them. :D

the premise is eerily like :borg:
they're not content with a simulacrum,
they want 'originals' for their Encyclopedia Multiversa :lol:

TNG's "The Chase" alludes to it sorta.

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Re: Lensman

Post by TonyG2 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:25 pm

Big fan of the Lensman books although a few years since I read them. In many ways I preferred the earlier books, before the focus switched to Kim Kinnison. The ensemble cast was somehow more accessible. Virgil Samms and Rod Kinnison calling the shots with field agents such as Con Costigan getting in the thick of it.

I have the kit of the Britannia II but it really has nothing in common with the ships as described in the novels. Haven't seen the anime but what I understand is it is significantly changed from the novels, taking on a more Star Wars theme with Kinnison being a Luke Skywalker inspired farm boy.

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Re: Lensman

Post by kobayashimaru » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:32 pm

@tonyG2
sweet!
can we tangent or see more of that - it looks stunning.

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Re: Lensman

Post by TonyG2 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 am

Afraid its not mine. Mine is still part built in the box.

However found these

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Re: Lensman

Post by kobayashimaru » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:10 pm

aha, I see, yours's still mint-in-box eh TonyG2?
thanks for sharing anyhow, that is one well-completed model.

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Re: Lensman

Post by TrekMD » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:55 am

I've always liked Lensman and the Brittania is one cool ship!
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