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Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:21 am
by RogueWolf
Looks like it could be a "pit" breed. Ugh. Faithful is not a trait I would associate with that breed.

I was initially excited for the new series, but now I'm loosing interest. All the hype is all about Picard. Old Picard. Retired Picard. Maybe it's going to be a retirement village Picard who tells visiting youngsters stories that always start with, "Back in my day..."

I want a show that's centered around good stories, good character development, cool ships and the dangers and mysteries of space.

I'm not holding my breath that I'll get what I'm hoping for.

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:08 pm
by WarpNein
RogueWolf wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:21 am
I want a show that's centered around good stories, good character development, cool ships and the dangers and mysteries of space.

I'm not holding my breath that I'll get what I'm hoping for.
Hah, you lowly prole, thinking that anyone cares what you want in your entertainment.

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I anticipate a show centered around partisan screeds, characters conceived to tick as many boxes as possible, stories whose diversity is an acceptable substitute for any sort of depth or meaning, ships way out of continuity scale-wise or design-wise, cringe-inducing dialogue and tendentious polemics about the dangers and mysteries of some thinly-veiled stand in for right-wingers.

I expect Picard to forget everything he ever knew about command and have to relearn it from a greenhorn female ensign. Maybe she can show Geordi how the warp core works. :lol:

I don't know, am I being too negative?

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:08 pm
by slawton
I concur with poor ship design. Diversity makes sense from a widest-audience-possible perspective. However, I would say "yes you are being too negative". IMHO -- it appears that you see left-wing conspiracies where there aren't any and tend to write as if you swallowed a thesaurus.

Media is moving away from thought-provoking, immersive programming to keep ratings for a audience with limited attention span (people used to instant gratification/distractions via internet/cell-phone), so more action, explosions, shock value, exaggerated drama, sex/sexinesss, etc. (although these kinds of things have been in-vogue for a while). There's so much content out there fighting for viewership and it takes effort to make quality (if you are a media conglomerate, you want the most return on your investment) -- they want easy money. So, if lot's of people are watching a certain type of thing, there will be lots of copies/similar products. I'd say watch what you value, but I'm not sure the media companies are interested in my demographic (BTW - I'm not paying for CBS All Access, so that's another reason they would not be interested in my opinion).

I believe Patrick Stewart would return to this role if he felt it had quality/meaning (I don't believe he's looking for a paycheck). So, there is some hope. If not, you can always change the channel!

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:03 pm
by WarpNein
slawton wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:08 pm
However, I would say "yes you are being too negative". IMHO -- it appears that you see left-wing conspiracies where there aren't any and tend to write as if you swallowed a thesaurus.
Heh, do you know how hard it is to pass of those? Blame my mother. She was a collegiate professor. I didn't get supper if I mixed up my i.e. and e.g. (ok, that's a slight exaggeration)
slawton wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:08 pm
Media is moving away from thought-provoking, immersive programming to keep ratings for a audience with limited attention span (people used to instant gratification/distractions via internet/cell-phone), so more action, explosions, shock value, exaggerated drama, sex/sexinesss, etc. (although these kinds of things have been in-vogue for a while). There's so much content out there fighting for viewership and it takes effort to make quality (if you are a media conglomerate, you want the most return on your investment) -- they want easy money. So, if lot's of people are watching a certain type of thing, there will be lots of copies/similar products. I'd say watch what you value, but I'm not sure the media companies are interested in my demographic (BTW - I'm not paying for CBS All Access, so that's another reason they would not be interested in my opinion)
Permit me to get uncharacteristically doe-eyed for someone who extols Section 31's monstrous realism. You're right about all that, and that's the problem. I want to believe (have to believe, really) that people are smarter and better than our popular entertainment suggests, and that they're just waiting for someone with courage to defy the corporate suits with their focus groups and statistics and make something really original and interesting. That's why I was intrigued by the concept of Tarantino Trek. It was a risky idea.

Back in the day George Lucas was that sort of maverick director. The original Star Wars got turned down by United Artists and Universal. Fox picked it up and let him keep the merchandising rights!. I'm encouraged by the recent downturn in ticket sales. I think people are crying out for more than the endless diet of safe, marketable, mass-produced, focus-grouped, empty calorie !!!!!!!! Hollywood keeps giving us. For the love of God would one of these gutless suits take a risk on something.

The reason I see it as a left-wing problem is because Hollywood is monolithically left-wing, therefore left-wingers are primarily making these decisions.

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:39 pm
by Tesral
WarpNein wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:03 pm

The reason I see it as a left-wing problem is because Hollywood is monolithically left-wing, therefore left-wingers are primarily making these decisions.
And then they grub all the right-wing profit they can earn, cheat or steal. There is a reason I call it Hollyweird. About as in touch with real people as the man on the Moon.

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:42 pm
by Tesral
Tesral wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:39 pm
WarpNein wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:03 pm

The reason I see it as a left-wing problem is because Hollywood is monolithically left-wing, therefore left-wingers are primarily making these decisions.
And then they grub all the right-wing profit they can earn, cheat or steal. There is a reason I call it Hollyweird. About as in touch with real people as the man on the Moon.
Hope sprtings eternal. I'm hoping that Patrick Steward has enough pull to keep the show from being a flaming pile of poo. Once again CBS no Access. I'm not paying the price for one show.

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:56 am
by WarpNein
Tesral wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:39 pm
WarpNein wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:03 pm

The reason I see it as a left-wing problem is because Hollywood is monolithically left-wing, therefore left-wingers are primarily making these decisions.
And then they grub all the right-wing profit they can earn, cheat or steal. There is a reason I call it Hollyweird. About as in touch with real people as the man on the Moon.
Don't get me started on their hypocrisy and insincerity. Hollyweirdos are the biggest frauds on the face of the earth. Please continue to fly private jets to island retreats to lecture us lowly peons on the evils of carbon emission.

I'm a little worried about Stewart honestly. I remember watching through the behind-the-scenes features of Nemesis. Patrick Stewart loves driving, which was apparently the reason for the ridiculous dune-buggy sequence. It's not there because it serves the story or fits with the tech in a universe of ubiquitous anti-gravity technology. It's there because Stewart (not Picard) wanted it. Stewart himself is pretty left-of-center, and I have no doubt that will bleed into the show as there's already precedent.

What I honestly expect from this is a complete repudiation of the previously established character of Picard. Remember when he dressed down Worf for killing Duras, stating that every member of the crew had made a commitment to Starfleet and that that commitment took precedence over their individual cultural practices? Worf had to relearn that lesson when he tried to kill Kurn on DS9, so it's an established canonical principle that the Federation's tolerance does not extend to things which threaten the cohesion of the crew. I expect that to be completely thrown out, probably with much pontification about how racist and sexist and imperialist and "phobic" it is to expect that kind of cohesion in the first place. Picard was always reticent about interfering in other cultures. He initially ordered Data to terminate his contact with Sarjenka. He left (or so he thought) the Boraalans to die. He retreated while the Bortas was under attack (with his own officer Worf on it, no less). I expect all that to be thrown out. Picard will be on a galactic quest to root out all the current leftist bugaboos, interfering in all sorts of cultures and making a mockery of everything the Federation stood for, all the while preaching about how "noninterference only helps the oppressors."

In fact, I would stake a large sum of money on that line being spoken at some point.

Re: Star Trek: Picard

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:17 am
by Tesral
There is an old saying about math, and chickens.