Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Discuss 1/3900, 1/7000 and other miniatures here.

What is your preferred scale?

3,900
4
27%
5,000
3
20%
7,000
4
27%
10,000
3
20%
15,000
1
7%
 
Total votes: 15

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Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by el gato » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:32 pm

Dumb question: Are 3900 and 7000 the most popular or are there others? I know minis can come in 5000 and 10K, but didn't know where they rank in the popularity "scale," er spectrum

EDIT: Decided to turn this question into a poll. You may vote for up to 3
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Re: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by DefiantClient » Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:33 am

el gato wrote:Dumb question: Are 3900 and 7000 the most popular or are there others? I know minis can come in 5000 and 10K, but didn't know where they rank in the popularity "scale," er spectrum
Is there even a preferred scale for Trek gaming miniatures? I know the Starline 2500 miniatures (A Call to Arms: Star Fleet) were about 1/3000 scale, but I don't think the miniatures were all to scale with each other. Also, I think Mongoose gave up on that game. :(

That being said, I've seen some Jem Hadar miniatures that were in about 1/5k or 10k scale on the gaming forum here. I have no freakin' clue what game that is even for, but I want in. :lol:

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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by el gato » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:23 am

So... we only have one gamer on this board?
RogueWolf wrote:I've sacrificed many dozens (maybe even hundreds) of gummy bears to the dark modeling gods to grant me my wish... but I fear my offerings only amuse them, not appease them.

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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by Moongrim » Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:24 pm

How am I supposed to know what scale they are?
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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by DefiantClient » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:29 pm

el gato wrote:So... we only have one gamer on this board?
I know Kobayashi Maru games, but he posts a bit infrequently now. I'm not sure where to even get trek gaming miniatures in small scales that are in this poll.

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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by el gato » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:34 am

So are there other gaming scales that are not reflected in this poll?
RogueWolf wrote:I've sacrificed many dozens (maybe even hundreds) of gummy bears to the dark modeling gods to grant me my wish... but I fear my offerings only amuse them, not appease them.

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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by kobayashimaru » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:22 am

real-world can be fun at times, apologies for not responding more promptly.
now that I have 5 seconds to think hehe, a brief novella follows...

we've got lots of folks on AST in the gaming section;
kelley13f, madadmiral, ender, cosmotiger, shiftdel, joebigbossB6R7, dreadstar,
to name only a few :lol:
I am sure they're on 'real-world hiatus' temporarily.
its one of the better trade hubs and customs boards,
so give it a little time heheh :D

this is a great poll;
it will go nicely with similar boardgamegeek and leadadventure polls.
out of curiosity,
how are we defining popularity - by percept,
'it seems popular'
or by quantifiable sales of units/demographic composition
ie x,y,z hundreds of thousands play Star Trek Attackwing,
only ~8000 game FASA Trek etc...
or
8 million copies sold, return rate was less than 8%, etc.
:borg:

what follows is based on the percept approach -
what tournaments are most run and visible at local games stores or
discussed in networks etc.
so, its a little of the demographic assay approach hehehe

There are a few different scales for gaming -
the more popular game to date - StarTrekAttackWing,
technically has no internally consistent scale :lol:
it is loosely referred to as 1:5000 ish scale,
yet, when you place a Kazon mother ship, a borg tactical cube, and a defiant model next to each other,
it soon becomes apparent there is no out-of-the box consistency to
this box-scale game :D
there is a few scale breaks, as detailed at boardgamegeek, ExAstris and MemoryBankAlpha,
particularly when it comes to shuttlecraft -
objects smaller than 150m seem to have been 'upscaled' by a factor...
from that point of view, the scale is as consistent as ST:Online...
theres thousands of folks that play this world wide,
and the game has been translated into 7 languages.
I'll include StarfleetCaptains and Heroclix Trek: Tactics, as they're functionally very similar.

the next more popular formats,
are StarFleetBattles by AFB etc, these are ~1:5000.
these are nice, decent sized pewter and resin craft.
a few thousand still play it -
the rules are intuitive, and relatively straightfoward for skirmish mode.
RolePlayGaming takes this to whole new levels.
In what is very familiar to GURPS or d20 modern players.

FASA models were in a similar scale too.
these were great,
then some of galoob was close to this scale too...
this was part of the pewter v plastic era -
"look at plastic ~20years after, its newer, but these pewter models have more or the same level of detail..."

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beyond that -rumor has it
that Trek will be getting a 'trek armada' boardgame,
analogous to the SW:Armada format,
which would be closer to 1:10 000.
aliens faction fans, especially species 8472, the kazon, the romulans,
the borg etc, would probably like this scale.
instead of 'whoops, I sneezed and where'd those shuttles go'
objects around 350m and smaller would be
'whoops, I sneezed, where'd that akira-class go?""

1:7000 seems much more popular for
asian trek gamers, particularly brunei, indonesia, thailand and japan.
I think as there are many more options near to scale
from F-models and lets be honest,
who wouldnt want to see spacebattleship yamato v the enterprise hehe.
yet for some reason, 1:7000 is much less popular in the West and EU.
it seems a nice 'best of both worlds' between 1:5000 and 1:10 000,
so you'd be able to have more fleet-wide recreations too.
I use some ships from this scale to fit into
"1:4848.48*" scale - trying as best as possible to have things larger than ~100m be that scale,
somewhat larger than 1:5000, but nowhere near 1:4000 or 1:3000...
and under 100m be upscale/scale break to ~1:60.

Modiphius making miniatures, will maybe see
1:48 through 1:72nd scale shuttles and such
see renewed interest,
as their rules framework does have provisions for playing flyers
in awayteams.

I'm going to get on my soapbox for a moment -
why are there no games for ships in the
1:350, 1:1000 and 1:2500 scale ranges?
(probably logistics and the fact you'd need a basketball court or a baseball field to play at decent scale hehe)
hopefully, we see folks taking that risk,
and sharing their awesome models in combat games,
so they can share their awesome hard work they've put into the models,
and have maybe 1v1 or 2v2 fleets...
more like Chariots or GOBS rules...
that'd be awesome to see folks getting to game it up AND
have their existing model collections.
maybe, even get more folks into the large end of the collection hehe.

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one thing I've always wondered;
what gaming scales are more commonly encountered in
southern america?
friends from El Salvador and Peru have said
there is the occasional tournament for
ST:AttackWing, and not much else.
though, pepakura ships/papercraft are catching on a lot more in
Brazil and Argentina...

thats a long story,
I recently recieved in trade a whole bunch of
first edition hanafuda cards,
and some Fenix cards first edition and tradeshow specials from Chile and Argentina.
I also got these not-quite-N and not-quite-O scale tabletop soldier models in resin and evacuated wood
(kinda like the lazer-carved wood terrain houses and all),
but they're a little too big for 1:48, and not quite 1:35... its odd.

I couldn't physically attend the conferences,
but they had tradeshow/convention special sets of the cards...
and I'll be danged if I don't like me some playing cards! :lol:
If you like Gwent from the Witcher, you will LOVE Fenix/MythsandLegends CCG.
hand made, of the most excellent quality, they were a nightmare to get through customs.

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thanks for reading,
i tried for brevity, though this topic got the thoughts going,
and was a great icebreaker for local model club and all.
I look forward to seeing what other folks
have to share on Trek gaming - which scale is the more popular?,

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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by el gato » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:15 pm

Thanks for the in-depth explanation koba. It's a good primer for me since I'm not a gamer
kobayashimaru wrote: out of curiosity,
how are we defining popularity - by percept,
'it seems popular'
or by quantifiable sales of units/demographic composition
ie x,y,z hundreds of thousands play Star Trek Attackwing,
only ~8000 game FASA Trek etc...
or
8 million copies sold, return rate was less than 8%, etc.
:borg:
That's a good question. I meant it more like what scale seems to be the most prominent among gamers. That is, which scale shows up the most. I did not realize that 1) each gamemaker decided to reinvent the wheel and disregard what other scales there were for existing games and 2) there would nevertheless be inconsistent scales within a game depending on the ship/race.

I suppose I could change the question to "What scale would be useful to you?" but I'm afraid the answer would boil down to "depends on the game."
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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by Savion » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:34 pm

Most of the Star Fleet Battles range of miniatures - the Starline 2200 through to 2400 lines - are 1/3788; the scale was determined by the old Zocchi plastic miniatures of the Franz Joseph line of Federation starships from the Tech Manual. Some minis, like the Starbase and Base/Battle stations are much smaller scale, but I'm not sure what the scale on those are.

The Starline 2500 line is something like 1/3125 or close to that.... those I do not have.

These are the minis I have in my collection, anyway. The smaller FASA minis come in at 1/3900 and while it doesn't seem like much of a difference, the ships that are comparable (Fed CA, Klingon D7) are smaller than the SFB ones.

Other than that, I don't really have any other minis I would care to have - okay, except for a number of the Star Trek Attack Wing line, and those are kinda all over the place scale-wise, honestly. Not even sure what the scales of those are.

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Re: Poll: Popular Gaming Scales

Post by jkb-1 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:19 pm

It strikes me that the differences in scale of two ship minis is as nothing compared to the difference in scale between the minis and the playing surface. With the speeds and weapon ranges, the battlefield could cover thousands to hundreds of thousands of kilometers.

You might say the games are modeling something otber than the appearance and size of the ships; their power curves and combat effectiveness. As long as the Runabouts are smaller than the Galaxies, with room for the Mirandas in between them so there isn't such a psychological shock...

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