ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby el gato » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:31 pm

Don't get me wrong, I liked DISC's pilot and from what I heard from others, it's only gotten better. My sense, though, is that a good portion of fans came in hating it because it didn't fit the 10-years-before-TOS visual aesthetic, weapons and other props aside. If it is revealed after the season is over that there truly was no compelling plot reason for DISC to be a prequel, a lot of producers/writers/directors are going to be kicking themselves for needlessly setting themselves up in such an astoundingly stupid fashion.
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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby SKO » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:45 pm

el gato wrote:Don't get me wrong, I liked DISC's pilot and from what I heard from others, it's only gotten better. My sense, though, is that a good portion of fans came in hating it because it didn't fit the 10-years-before-TOS visual aesthetic, weapons and other props aside. If it is revealed after the season is over that there truly was no compelling plot reason for DISC to be a prequel, a lot of producers/writers/directors are going to be kicking themselves for needlessly setting themselves up in such an astoundingly stupid fashion.


I feel like most Hollywood execs never bothered to watch TNG/DS9/VOY and to them Star Trek is always "Kirk, Spock, etc" so they underestimate just how much love there was for the sequel era, and honestly how little the current generation cares about TOS. Older fans that loved all of the old shows are the most continuity obsessed fanbase in history and thus will be perpetually irked about the prequel concept, and everyone younger doesn't have enough of a connection to Kirk and Spock et al that setting the show in that era will draw them in automatically.

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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby MadManMUC » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:13 am

el gato wrote:Ever get the feeling the TPTB behind Discovery could have saved themselves a lot of grief from fans if they had done two small tweaks:

1) Set DISC decades after the events from Nemesis and

2) Burnham's connection to Vulcan is with someone not named Sarek


This, right here. And it's funny you mention this, because these two exact points came up yesterday in an advertising and graphic design forum I frequent.

And, the fact is, you're absolutely right. In fact, it needn't even have to be decades after Nemesis, just as many real-time years as it's been since the film; so, 15.
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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby MadManMUC » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:22 am

SKO wrote:I feel like most Hollywood execs never bothered to watch TNG/DS9/VOY and to them Star Trek is always "Kirk, Spock, etc" so they underestimate just how much love there was for the sequel era


Also true. And between these three series, there are ample creative springboards upon which to build a series. We never end up knowing, for example, if there's ever been any meaningful contact between the Gamma and Delta quadrants, that could lead up to a Borg v Dominion confrontation that catches all the Alpha and Beta quadrant species in the middle. Or, we never know if Janeway's dabbling in new technologies (quantum slipstream drives, graviton catapults) during her time in the Delta quadrant could have ushered in a new Golden Age of Starfleet exploration upon her return, bringing us to entirely new galaxies. Similarly, we never end up knowing if the Federation doesn't actually start making deeper and deeper forays into the Delta quadrant, inviting friendly species like the Talaxians, et al, to join.

Et cetera, et cetera.

And it makes me angry, in a way, because these same execs would rather rape canon, than actually progress with a new sequel series that carries Trek further in the future.

And, frankly, I don't know about the rest of you, but we live in a sufficiently messed up world that I really could use some good old-fashioned, hopeful, bright and optimistic forward-looking Trek, instead of this dark, heavy, morally ambiguous thing we've got now with ST:D.

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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby SKO » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:26 pm

MadManMUC wrote:
SKO wrote:I feel like most Hollywood execs never bothered to watch TNG/DS9/VOY and to them Star Trek is always "Kirk, Spock, etc" so they underestimate just how much love there was for the sequel era


Also true. And between these three series, there are ample creative springboards upon which to build a series. We never end up knowing, for example, if there's ever been any meaningful contact between the Gamma and Delta quadrants, that could lead up to a Borg v Dominion confrontation that catches all the Alpha and Beta quadrant species in the middle. Or, we never know if Janeway's dabbling in new technologies (quantum slipstream drives, graviton catapults) during her time in the Delta quadrant could have ushered in a new Golden Age of Starfleet exploration upon her return, bringing us to entirely new galaxies. Similarly, we never end up knowing if the Federation doesn't actually start making deeper and deeper forays into the Delta quadrant, inviting friendly species like the Talaxians, et al, to join.

Et cetera, et cetera.

And it makes me angry, in a way, because these same execs would rather rape canon, than actually progress with a new sequel series that carries Trek further in the future.

And, frankly, I don't know about the rest of you, but we live in a sufficiently messed up world that I really could use some good old-fashioned, hopeful, bright and optimistic forward-looking Trek, instead of this dark, heavy, morally ambiguous thing we've got now with ST:D.

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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby el gato » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:49 am

MadManMUC wrote:And, frankly, I don't know about the rest of you, but we live in a sufficiently messed up world that I really could use some good old-fashioned, hopeful, bright and optimistic forward-looking Trek, instead of this dark, heavy, morally ambiguous thing we've got now with ST:D.


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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby Gidiot » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:58 pm

:imsorry: * Just to keep this topic "Kosher" in the 1/1400 scale thread.... Anyone working on a 1/1400 Discovery or Shenzhou?

and to keep to the real topic... :?: WTF is with those Cling-on ships? (yes Purposely spelt badly- kinda like the design of those ships... :klingon: )

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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby Resin-Modeller » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:11 am

The Shenzhou looks cool so may be? Would b a while yet tho...
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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby el gato » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:02 am

Has the length of the Discovery & Shenzhou been established? I've seen a lot of educated guesses, but nothing that has the definitive size
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Re: ST Discovery Federation Ships in 1/1400

Postby MadManMUC » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:44 pm

I don't know how official this figure is, or if it's wild fan speculation, but the website ncc-1031.com lists Discovery's length as being 'approx 244 metres'. That would put it 45 metres shy of the original Constitution class, according to Memory Alpha.

About 1/3 down the page: http://ncc-1031.com/starships/star-trek ... -ncc-1031/

Probably to be taken with a grain of salt.

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I also just noticed the date the article was published (2016), and the fact that all of the reference shots use the old CGI model from the teaser trailers, which had substantially shorter nacelles. In fact, why they didn't keep this model, I really don't now. I much prefer it to the hero we see in the series. It feels much more pre-TOS, but in a cool way.
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