So maybe aliens will be humanoid after all

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Re: So maybe aliens will be humanoid after all

Postby Tesral » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:34 pm

el gato wrote:Migration is another form of adapting to the seasons. It's another example of species being clever but not intelligent. There's an advantage to staying put, but most animals simply go where the climate is comfortable and the food located. Whether that's better is more of a judgment call


Most migratory animals are birds, for a reason.

I wasn't thinking of seasons, but more profound changes. The climate shift that turned the light forest of East Africa into the savanna for example. The change that allegedly got our ancestors out of the vanishing trees and on the road to us. Apparently the big brain was last. Bipedalism came first.

The sentient advantage is you can move into an unfamiliar environment and make changes in how you do things to survive.
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Re: So maybe aliens will be humanoid after all

Postby el gato » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:11 pm

There are others that migrate: Cetaceans, insects (butterflies, specifically) and large mammals like elephants and bison. I don't know about insects and bison, but elephants and cetaceans have been proven to be clever animals. But you bring up a more important note of adaptability to climate. If given enough time, would clever animals figure out how to adapt? Evolution's answer is mixed.

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Re: So maybe aliens will be humanoid after all

Postby Tesral » Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:55 am

el gato wrote:There are others that migrate: Cetaceans, insects (butterflies, specifically) and large mammals like elephants and bison. I don't know about insects and bison, but elephants and cetaceans have been proven to be clever animals. But you bring up a more important note of adaptability to climate. If given enough time, would clever animals figure out how to adapt? Evolution's answer is mixed.


I did say "most". Mobility is the big issue. If you drop a clever animal into a new environment, it will not adapt. We will put on more, take off some, build different shelters and so forth.
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Re: So maybe aliens will be humanoid after all

Postby el gato » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:32 pm

Tesral wrote:
el gato wrote:There are others that migrate: Cetaceans, insects (butterflies, specifically) and large mammals like elephants and bison. I don't know about insects and bison, but elephants and cetaceans have been proven to be clever animals. But you bring up a more important note of adaptability to climate. If given enough time, would clever animals figure out how to adapt? Evolution's answer is mixed.


I did say "most". Mobility is the big issue. If you drop a clever animal into a new environment, it will not adapt. We will put on more, take off some, build different shelters and so forth.


That's where the timing issue I alluded to comes into play, "if given enough time, would clever animals figure out how to adapt?"

OT, sorta. That's where we may be running into problems in this planet. At the rate of climate change, we are not giving many species, clever or not, enough time to adapt
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