Need some help with scales

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Need some help with scales

Postby Lonewolf » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:30 am

I received four resin kits for Christmas from a friend, and I'm trying to get kit reviews written for them. However, there's nothing showing on the packaging about the relative scales. The only thing that's consistent between the kits is the hex base that's included with each.

As far as I know, they were all produced by 2201 Science Fiction Miniatures. The kits I have are:

Romulan Scout Class Starship (gray resin) - 1:2500? 1:1600? (about an inch long)

Federation Constellation Class (gray resin) - 1:5000? (about 3 inches long)

Federation Ambassador Class (gray resin) - 1:5000? 1:7000? (roughly 4.25 inches long)

Federation Galaxy Class (white resin) - No idea, but the saucer section is about 3 inches across and it looks like the whole thing is under 3 inches long.

Also, any idea when these were produced?

The kits came from Cydonia last Christmas, and they were originally part of the collection of Thomas Sasser.

Any help y'all might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Need some help with scales

Postby jkb-1 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:47 am

Romulan Scout: the Attack Wing mini I accepted into my Sacred Scale fleet is 1 1/2 inch, translating to 95 m. Ex-Astris has it as 89 m long. Your 1 incher would be about 1/3500.

Constellation: about length of saucer + length of nacelles, 300 m or so. 1/4000-ish

Ambassador length 526 m: 1/4900

Galaxy length 641 m, I make the width to be 479.74 m. Depending on which one is 3 inches, 1/6300 to 1/8400.

That's all I can tell you.

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Re: Need some help with scales

Postby kobayashimaru » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:29 am

@Lonewolf
crunching the numbers,
based on sizes from ExAstris as the lim range for each craft,
(from the 'magic scale syndrome' discussions on each)
I can confirm JKB-1's reflections as accurate;
thanks JKB-1 for crunching the numbers and solving for y too.
:borg:

The EntD is ~1:7381 (gotta love those box scales huh?)

The Ent C however has me piqued,
as its darned close to 1:4848... it's
1:4913. That is much closer than 1:5000 - it might only be an inch or so on all dimensions,
but its noticeable when you compare it with the rest.
It will look awesome next to a Hallmark entE.

As to specifics...
I've not come across those before, ever.
Do you have images to share? They'd be awesome to see - as they're right in that miniatures scale area,
and may explain some mixed Romando fleets, with unidentifiable ships in them.

Here's some speculative theories
The Sasser collection ships may, and I'm being tentative,
may be prototypes relating to Romando. (Romando being a ultra-high end miniatures variant for starships etc,
very low production run etc). There were some ships Romando never finished...

Its also possible that they were obtained from Federation Models.
FM keep good records, and may be able to assist in that regard.

SSM is also a possible place -though they tend not to make or deal with the tiny-er ships.

I think we can rule out "made to suit Galoob" as a possibility,
as these minis aren't quite to the mismash scale that Galoob used in its micromachines from trek.

Turning to the quality of the things themselves
If the quality is lower...
it could be derived from the hallmark mixed scales as clones.
The hallmark Xmas ornaments were a mishmash of scales... a few local clones started popping up from '94 at flea markets.
The manufacture would also help in determining the age -
if it's resin, older. circa 2003-present, if yellowed or with 'crumble-y' appearance, 80s ish etc.
if its the 3D printed polymers, it could be newer from shapeways or a local rapfab co-op etc.

The date of the subject matter, and details could also help date it -
as there's no voyager stuff etc, it can't have been before a certain date.
So, TNG happened in 87 onwards. It seems there's only up to season 4 ships in that lot.
thus, these could have been made theoretically at any time between 1987 and the present.
earlier resin from 80s-mid 90s was notorious for 'crumble' in poor mixtures or from humid climates etc,
so if crumble is present, that makes them older. (its a distinctive aged yellow-y patina which also crumbles).

Thanks for sharing :D
I hope this was of some use,
and I look forward to hearing more about this

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Re: Need some help with scales

Postby Tesral » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:58 am

What the scales mean is how many inches to the real inch. 1/48 is 48 inches to the inch. Sacred Scale 1/2500 is 2,500 inches to the inch or 208' 4" to the inch.

Take the known length of the ship. Convert to inches. 39.36 inches to the meter BTW.

Get the exact length of the model in niches. Accuracy is important. Digital Calipers are cheap.

Divine the former by the latter. The number you get is the scale expressed as a fraction. 1/xxxx.
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Re: Need some help with scales

Postby Lonewolf » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:36 am

The models are not high-tech in the least. I'm guessing late 1980's/early 1990's vintage resin. Detailing is kinda thick. The models are in small Ziploc plastic baggies, with a small color photo of a complete model, stapled to a cardboard backer with name of the kit and some basic assembly instructions. No markings are included, even though the photos show markings. The top of the cardboard backer has text in bold face that reads "2201 Science Fiction Miniatures" with the name of the kit in smaller font below it.

As far as I know, these are not things that Thomas produced but rather were things he picked up somewhere over the years. They look like they were designed for tabletop game use, as each ship has an enclosed resin hex base and a length of wire for the stand. The color photos show the assembled model on a hex game board. These are markedly smaller than the Hallmark ships, like maybe 1/4 the size.

I'll have images posted soon. I took in-package photos last weekend, and I have to open each baggie to get a parts count and accurate measurements when I write the kit reviews.
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Re: Need some help with scales

Postby Tesral » Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:49 am

They sound like models for the Star Fleet Battles game.
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Re: Need some help with scales

Postby kobayashimaru » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:09 am

I've done a little more digging...
the theory these may have been long-lost and related to Romando trek stuff,
it's somewhat downgraded. The colors of known existing prototypes are in brown (khaki and deep-earth)
and green - army-men colors. Still, who knows - these do have a 'prototype' vibe about them.
the rare-senses are tingling on that one (cue Peter Parker with the creepy look meme) :borg:

The theory these are recast Hallmark ornaments pieces is also looking a stretch,
given the marked size differential.

We'll narrow it down eventually heheh
who wouldnt want to find another potential source of parts for bits-bashing etc? :D


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